We stayed with the in-laws for 2 weeks in the tropics, got roaring drunk every night, didn't shave, talked to wordly people like they were human, considered there may be another life possible... Suddenly (in the shower, seeing myself full length in a very kinky mirror they had...) got the thought that I didn't NEED to be a JW which left me completly panic striken, I remained so (and loosing sleep) for the next 6 months before confessing to the Mrs... we were out 6 months later...
Max Divergent
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What's The First Step To Leaving The "Trut...
by minimus infor those that have entirely left, what was it that first got you seriously thinking that this really wasn't the truth?
for those that may be in just mentally, you can answer too....
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #22
by ozziepost intoday ozzie's weekend poll returns after a short break.
we promised that it would come back brighter than ever, so here it is!
well, it's a start, isn't it?
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Other (please give details)
Juicy local needs, full of sex and intriuge to give the (progressive) dinner party circle somthing to get right into for months to come......
Delete an Elder/MS/Pioneer/Un-baptised Pub (or DF anyone) one month, give a non-1900 porno phone service Special Needs talk the next...
'As our brothers repetedly urge us to remember, the marriage bed is not to be defiled. It is a place of peace and christian love. Such shocking acts that may bring Jehovah's wrath are not be be even contemplated, or brought to mind... Should our brothers consider their wives in a manner not fitting to the christian mariage arrangement, then they bring shame upon the house of our God, Jehovah...'
Better than any bluey, it's REAL and you KNOW the actors!!!! ... and it's all left to your imagination.....
Those were the days........
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Bali, Terrorism, Iraq, War, My Town
by Max Divergent ina few weeks ago there were heated discussions here along the lines that "if your city was attacked by terrorists, you'd want to attack iraq too" v's "iraq hasn't done anything (big) wrong yet, don't invade".
i'm from perth, western australia and last weekend 30-40 or even more perth people died in a c4 and (apparently) napalm car bomb attack at a nightclub in bali (hence the burns).
bali's not perth, but there are very, very close links between the people of perth and the people of bali built over many years, illustrated by maybe a quarter or a third of the fatalities being from perth.
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A few weeks ago there were heated discussions here along the lines that "If your city was attacked by terrorists, you'd want to attack Iraq too" v's "Iraq hasn't done anything (big) wrong yet, don't invade".
I'm from Perth, Western Australia and last weekend 30-40 or even more Perth people died in a C4 and (apparently) Napalm car bomb attack at a nightclub in Bali (hence the burns).
Bali's not Perth, but there are very, very close links between the people of Perth and the people of Bali built over many years, illustrated by maybe a quarter or a third of the fatalities being from Perth.
For example, I've been there this year, last year and in 1998, and my wife's been there six times more than me. Its our favoured destination and well be there again soon I hope. We've walked past the (now obliterated) Sari Club (SC's) on Jalan Legian many times, although we prefer the SC's Seafood Restaurant up the street. Try the deep fried whole fish with lemon and garlic with a next time you're there...
But as personal and close as it was to many, I still haven't heard anyone say, "Let's attack Iraq (or anyone else) because there are out of control terrorists in the world and they hurt us in Bali".
So, I don't believe the argument: "If your city was attacked by terrorists, you'd want to attack Iraq too". There might well be reasons to attack Iraq, but it's nothing much to do with 9/11 or terrorism or responding to the killing of people from your town. That was Afghanistan.
Salamat pagi, Max
Edited to replace the ' and " that were lost to the ether...
Edited by - Max Divergent on 18 October 2002 9:25:49
Edited by - Max Divergent on 18 October 2002 9:27:43
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IQ Test. Just how smart are ya?
by riz inclick me and find out ---->http://www.iqtest.com/.
remember to count your time.
*snicker* this isn't field service.
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I bow to your superior genius eyegirl, I only got 143, bugger!
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My Dumb Ass JW Brother
by Reborn2002 inas some of you know from my sharing portions of my story on this board before, i disassociated myself from the jehovah's witnesses in 2001. my family, including my mother, sister, and brother, remain jehovah's witnesses.
i have an extremely limited relationship with my mother and sister.
i possess no relationship whatsoever with my brother, his wife, and their now 1 yr old son.
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So when he asks God why He didn't provide, God will reply 'Well, I sent you a generous brother and I sent you a great job, but you knocked both back - what else did you want me to do?'
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Elder's School Review This Weekend
by minimus in2 full days will be given to the elders for a review of the school that the elders already attended last year.
any idea of what else they could possibly say??
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I'm glad I got to go to one of these secret meetings (for MS, not E), just for the experience. It was at the Assembly Hall, but it just seemed different to an Assembly. The audience was SILENT (eerrie), it smelt differerent, and the drone and themes were like an assembly but the way things were phrased was different - no need to be so 'kind', or 'mindful of the weaker ones and the public'.
It was bloody awful. I hated it. I just wanted to go home to the wife and dog. Thank God it only lasted a day (well..maybe He had a hand in it afterall)!
Thanks for the inside info.
Max
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Please Can You Advise My Ex?
by Englishman ini recently mentioned that my ex-wife cindy had lost her father in very unpleasant circumstances.
i spoke to her yesterday, and she gave me some information that i would like to share.
hopefully, i can garner some useful information here that i can pass on to her via an email link to this site.. cindy's aged father was a devout jw.
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That's difficult, and upsetting. But he sounds like he'd have been a character! If you're not too popular or things are going badly, there aren't always too many who'll look out for you.
I recall saying to my wife on the way to the Doc, "We go to the elders for judgement, and then to the wordly doctor for help to get well afterwards' (I got Depressed about a Judical Committee). We thereafter refered to elders as "The Judges'.
Kind regards, Max
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Please Can You Advise My Ex?
by Englishman ini recently mentioned that my ex-wife cindy had lost her father in very unpleasant circumstances.
i spoke to her yesterday, and she gave me some information that i would like to share.
hopefully, i can garner some useful information here that i can pass on to her via an email link to this site.. cindy's aged father was a devout jw.
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Condolences for the sad loss.
You refered to congo members not calling in the four days and that being too long for an elderly man. Could someone say that family members should have called him on the phone sometime in those four days and raised the alarm when he didn't answer after a few attempts? That would be any easy reply and hurt the family more.
Was there an arrangement by the family for the JW's to call on a regular basis? If there wasn't, then that might be another easy reply that might hurt the family. Even if there was an arrangement to call every two or three days or whatever, then a four day window could be missed easily, especially if people weren't especially concerned thinking he was supervised or if his death was unexpected?
I'd just be concerned about the possible consequences of adding a deliberate religious attack to the grief of a father's passing.
Max
(Edited several times for sensitivity! )
Edited by - Max Divergent on 11 October 2002 9:46:57
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Hey Aussies, Is Peter Brock a Dub?
by Mackin ini just saw on the 6.00 o'clock news that peter brock is racing in bathurst this weekend.
i had heard ages ago that he had become a dub.
surely the wts would 'tut 'tut at him engaging in such a "dangerous worldly activity" as motor racing?
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But Brockie is already Perfect.
Cheers, Max - first car an HR (186 two speed auto), then a 202 VB, then a 253 HZ, then a 3 cyl Daihatsu, now a VC and a 1998 4WD Rodeo Turbo Diesel dual cab ute (as driven by the Taliban)
HDT Rules.
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How many MS & ex-MS are here or lurking?
by Dismembered inhow many ms or ex-ms are here?
dismembered <--------- 14 years (could not keep mouth shut so no advancement made) .
dismemberededited by - dismembered on 7 october 2002 10:4:0.
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Yeah - for about 4 years in two congos. Getting appointed had been my main preoccupation for years before. Fancy needing somthing like that to boost your esteem!
Saw enough in that time to decide that if CO/DO's were representative of the Society, then the Society stank; and if Elders were God's Gifts in Men, then God was both rotten at selecting gifts and a poor judge of men's character.
I'm no hypocrite and couldn't teach what I belived to be false to people I had regard for and I think had regard for me. I stepped-down using health as an excuse, went to the meeting where it was announced and felt good about it. Went on a planned vacation for a month and never returned. I was 3rd Gen JW.
I feel sad now that I left without a word to people I'd known since being small, but I concluded that they set the rules of their own association and I'd respect that while at the same time avoid runing the gauntlett of DF/DA myself. Makes me feel like a selfish prick. It was a self-defence at the time.
That was 4 years ago in December.
Cheers, Max